Tucson-Pima County Bicycle Advisory Committee

Minutes of the Wednesday, February 8, 2006 Regular Meeting

Himmel Park Library, 1035 N. Treat Avenue

Tucson, AZ

Submitted by Richard Corbett

 

1. Call to Order

The meeting was called to order by Parliamentarian Diana Tolton at 6:04 pm

2. Introductions and Approval of Meeting Minutes

Committee members, staff and members of the public introduced themselves. Donna Aversa was introduced as the new representative for Oro Valley.

Melissa Antol passed out a corrected revised agenda, and Richard Corbett passed out the attendance sheet for the January meeting, which had been inadvertently omitted from the draft minutes. Dick Schaffer noted he was in attendance at the January meeting.  

A motion to approve the minutes of the January meeting, as corrected, was made by Steve Bresler, seconded by Russ Clanagan and passed unanimously.

At this point, Vice Chairman David Bachman-Williams arrived, and Dianna Tolton relinquished the Chair to him.

3. Open Meeting Laws – Up-Date

Attorney Dave Diebel of the City Attorney’s Office handed out a script of the PowerPoint presentation he normally gives, and proceeded to go through and explain it. The points he made included:

  1. Subcommittees must also meet legal requirements;
  2. Only matters on the Agenda may be discussed, but preliminary discussion may take place, if the matter is set on a future agenda;
  3. Members may ask clarification questions of staff & public, but should not get into a discussion or debate;

Member of the public Bill Katzel asked how the Law Enforcement reports and response could be handled, if the above (#3) is literally applied. A discussion ensued, and it was concluded that the way the Law Enforcement reports and responses to audience questions have been handled are okay.

 

Diebel continued:

  1. Vice Chairman David Bachman-Williams explained the way our quorum is presently interpreted and applied. Diebel said quorums must be based on the total number of positions available for elected official appointment (21), not just the City & County members (17). Bachman-Williams observed that this was the way the BAC’s quorum had been, and still is, determined (11 is the quorum for the Committee).
  2. While members may not discuss or debate ballot issues, they may hear expressions/explanations of partisan positions from members of the public.

 

Member Roy Schoonover said that based on this statement (#5), there was no reason to keep the presentation of the RTA advocates off the agenda, and asked that it be placed on the April agenda.

Member Diana Tolton asked Diebel about how the agenda comes into being  - is there any particular legal requirement(s) for this? He responded that so long as the agenda is published and posted sufficiently ahead of time, it meets legal requirements. There are no particular requirement(s) as to how the agenda is evolved/developed.

 

Member Donna Aversa asked if Diebel could stay and observe Law Enforcement reports and responses to audience questions. He said he could, but cautioned that he had to leave at 7:00 pm.  Based on this, the Chair decided to jump ahead to Agenda Item 4, and then come back to complete this item (#3) afterward.

 

4. City of Tucson Police Dept & Pima County Sheriff’s Dept Reports

Tucson Police Sergeant Tim Beam reported that the number of bicycle-motor vehicle crashes was way up for last month (January), with 36 total. He also cited the case of the cyclist who was badly injured and had no identification as a good example of the importance of carrying identification.

Pima County Sheriff’s Sergeant Karl Woolridge reported that there were six bicycle-motor vehicle crashes in unincorporated Pima County in January. One was a nine year old cyclist who rode into the street and was struck; The second was a seven year old who was riding on the street and swerved into the path of an overtaking vehicle; The third was a cyclist riding with his/her head down who rode into the back of a parked car; The fourth was a cyclist who was cited when s/he failed to yield and collided with a motor vehicle at an intersection; The fifth was a right hook on Sabino Canyon Road where the motorist was cited; and the sixth was a sideswipe on Sunrise near Craycroft, where again the motorist was cited (for violation of  ARS 28-735 - the three-foot passing law). He went on to add to Sgt Beam’s exhortation about carrying identification while cycling.

 

Member Brian Beck asked about a case in Pinal County in January where he heard of a cyclist falling into overtaking traffic. Sgt Woolridge said he was not sure of the case, but would check. Vice-Chair David Bachman-Williams cited the case of a teacher who was riding with four students, and who was involved in a crash, without a helmet!  Member Steve Bresler stressed the quickness with which the unidentified cyclist was identified, due to Perimeter Bicycling’s use of their El Tour de Tucson records. Member of the public Bill Katzel mentioned the availability of free bicycle registration through the University of Arizona Parking & Transportation Services (621-1800) for anyone.

3. Open Meeting Laws – Up-Date (continued)

In response to Member Donna Aversa’s question, Attorney Dave Diebel of the City Attorney’s Office stated he saw nothing wrong with the way Law Enforcement reports and responses to audience questions had been handled.

He then continued with his coverage of various aspects of the open meeting law:

6.      There can be no discussion if there is no quorum;

7.      Agendas must be posted publicly twenty-four hours before the meeting date, in four different public locations;

8.      Votes taken must a) have a quorum of the membership present, b) be for an agenda item that was posted ahead of time, and c) pass by a majority of the quorum present;

9.      Do not use ‘sub-sets’ of the Committee to get around the quorum requirement – such as a phone tree, or an E-mail exchange/chain. He did say that information without opinions/positions can be sent out (i.e., drafts of reports, motions, etc. just remember that no discussion/deliberation should take place this way);

10.  Sending out materials ahead of time by E-mail is permissible (such as draft minutes);

11.  While the Committee cannot take a position on a ballot issue or lobby, it is permissible to have presentations for information, even if these are advocate presentations, such as the RTA. The key is to not have a public debate/deliberation on such presentations.

Mr. Diebel thanked the Committee for the opportunity to share this information, and invited anyone with questions or concerns at any time to contact him (791-4221).

 

Pima County Boards & Commissions staffer Robin Brigode was ill and unable to make her part of the presentation.

5. Call to the Public

Pima County Staffer Steve Anderson suggested a future agenda item on Fantasy Island, noting that the BAC Chair is a member of the Fantasy Island Committee.

Member of the public Bill Katzel stated that lawyers will stifle public interaction. He urged the Committee to not let lawyers run the BAC. He went on to assert that the BAC is an advocacy organization. Several Members spontaneously voiced their disagreement with this statement.

6. Rillito Shared-Use Path – Campbell to Alvernon

Member Diana Tolton introduced Pima County Parks Principal Planner Steve Anderson, who presented the results of their recent study to establish a new cross section for the river parks linear parks, and the shared-use paths therein.

They have a standard now to make the paved path for wheeled use at least 12 feet wide (up to 15 feet), and a decomposed granite path for walking/running at least eight feet wide (up to 10 feet), with six to eight feet of landscaping on both edges and in between the two paths.

They are also now building walking and cycling paths on both sides.

Mr. Anderson stated that he would be producing a brochure to promote better understanding of the Julian Wash Pathway. He then introduced a member of his staff, John Spiker, who explained the eleven projects that will complete the Rillito River Park between Campbell and Craycroft.

Spiker related plans to place more signs identifying access point to the river parks, as well as more access points, most in conjunction with new developments adjacent to the rivers. He shared that Flood control projects have been making big contribution to river park additions, and that several pieces of property that are really too expensive to develop may be acquired to provide access points and/or nodes.

Anderson stated that the Pantano Wash would be developed in many locations in the coming years, with a combination of developer participation and bond funds.

He went on to state that the Santa Cruz, Grant to Camino del Cerro, is being studied for development, but faces big challenges due to the very large sand & gravel pit near the confluences of the Rillito, Santa Cruz and Canada del Oro.

Member Brian Beck asked how the BAC could help. Anderson responded that a resolution of support would be helpful.

7. BAC Reports/Announcements

City Bike Coordinator Melissa Antol announced that TDOT has identified funding to overlay and restripe the intersection of Grant/Tanque Verde/Kolb to provide a designated area for bicycles traveling (south) west thru the intersection. Work will start in the next month or two. She also announced that the City would try to restore the Santa Cruz path funds through PAG’s March TIP amendment cycle.

PAG Bike Coordinator Rich Corbett announced that Bike to Work day preparations are coming along well, and that he and Melissa Antol have arranged many prizes for the Bike to Work day event – he reminded everyone to be sure to register to be eligible.

Bill Adamson asked about, and Matt Zoll responded that the shoulders for Sahuarita Road were included in the 2004 Pima County bond issue, and covers from La Canada east to Alvernon.

Roy Schoonover said that in his recent meeting with Pima County Administrator Chuck Huckleberry, it was suggested that the Sahuarita Road improvements be considered as regional in scope. He also explained the plans to 1) develop a brochure highlighting all the improvements scheduled for Julian Wash, 2) improve Kolb Road to include bike lanes, 3) improve Mission Road for five miles south of Los Reales Road (shoulders to San Xavier Road, and pavement rehab for the remaining distance), and 4) work on getting shoulders on Mission Road from Drexel south to Los Reales.

Member Dick Schaffer announced that the Saguaro National Park (west) Cactus Forest Road will be closed for re-construction this summer, June to September.

 

8. Potential Items for Future Agendas

·        A letter of support for implementation of shoulders on Sahuarita Road

·        A letter of support for repaving of Mission Road (shoulders from Drexel Road to San Xavier Road, and pavement restoration south of San Xavier Road)

·        A letter of support for Kolb Road (Valencia to Voyager RV Park) bike lanes

·        Aviation-Barraza Pathway connection, Pathway connection concerns

·        Motorized bicycles, concerns as to legality, & status

·        Fantasy Island update

 

9. Adjournment

The meeting was adjourned at 8:03 pm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ATTENDANCE

Members

Bill Adamson, Pima County

Donna Aversa, Oro Valley

David Bachman-Williams, Pima County

Brian Beck, City Ward 2

Steve Bresler, City Ward 1

Rosemary Carmody, Pima County

Russell Clanagan, Town of Marana

Steve Cohen, Pima County

P. Wayne Cullop, City Ward 4

Jean Gorman, City Mayor’s Office

Dick Schaffer, Pima County

Roy Schoonover, Pima County

Diana Tolton, Pima County

 

Staff

Steve Anderson, Pima County Parks

Melissa Antol, TDOT

Sgt. Tim Beam, Tucson Police

Richard Corbett, PAG

David Diebel, City Attorney’s Office

Nancy Ellis, Oro Valley

Connie Fairchild, City Clerk’s Office

John Spiker, Pima County Parks

Sgt Karl Woolridge, Pima Sheriff's

Matthew Zoll, Pima County DOT

 

Members of the Public

David Crow, citizen

Eric Gonnason, citizen

Jim Gorman, citizen

Jim Jordan, Green Valley citizen

Bill Katzel, citizen

Norm Land, citizen

Eric Post, citizen

Jonathon Seely, citizen

Mary White, citizen